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Wed, 23 Jan 2008

Earlier today, two things happened. First, I wrote about our support of the EFF, noting that none of our products were created to facilitate theft. We'll get back to that in a minute, but it was a timely post. Second, CBS-owned music site Last.fm opened up streaming from their site. Where previously they'd provided 30-second previews of songs (a la iTunes), they're now providing on-demand access to full-length tracks and albums.

This is a very cool thing, as it makes music more accessible. Various individual artists in the past have streamed their new album or a single right from their site, with the idea that you'd take a listen or two and hopefully buy the album. Last.fm is looking to shake that model up and monetize the streaming itself via ads as well as sales of both individual songs and subscriptions. In fact, each play results in a royalty payment to the artist, which is great.

Beta TapThe basic assumption being made here is that streaming is fleeting, non-permanent. Simply put, that assumption is wrong. Tools like our own Audio Hijack Pro, as well as many others, enable you to record any audio. This ability has "substantial non-infringing uses", commonly known as the Betamax Doctrine1. As part of this, it's possible to make a permanent copy of streamed audio.

This incorrect assumption has been around for years, but it was largely harmless. Such streaming was scattered, low-quality, and in the case of online music radio streams, random. Last.fm, however, has made an enormous catalog of music from the major labels available for streaming on-demand, and it sounds pretty good to my ears. Suddenly, this erroneous assumption could well impact the bottom line. If you don't need to stream music, they don't get to count plays or show ads, and artists don't get paid.

Ideally, users will do what's right, and purchase proper access to the music to which they wish to listen. My fear, however, is that potentially infringing uses of recording tools will become widespread. In that scenario, it's possible that instead of adjusting their model, the entertainment industry will just come after developers of recording tools. Should the Betamax Doctrine not hold up, these tools could disappear. That would be bad for us, of course, but it would also hurt the thousands of users using them legitimately.

An even more dire scenario would involve the music studios going after Apple and Microsoft to implement a required "secure audio path" in the OS. Vista has this in the form of the Protected Media Path, but it's currently in limited use. Things could get much, much more restrictive, and that's bad for everyone involved. Even the entertainment industry would likely suffer. They once opposed the VCR, with then-head of the MPAA Jack Valenti famously comparing the VCR to the Boston Strangler. Today, home video accounts for tens of billions in revenue.

This is an exciting development in access to music. Thirty second previews just aren't enough, and terrestrial radio doesn't provide access to new music as it once did. I hope this will work well for Last.fm, artists, and consumers alike. As part of that, I'll urge you to support the artists you love. If you listen to their music, pay for it, whether through albums or subscriptions. Your support is needed to enable them to keep creating the things you love (much like software developers). The iPod wrappers have long said it best - "Don't steal music".

Footnotes:
1. The Betamax Doctrine has been important for 20+ years of innovation in technology. It was established by the Supreme Court in 19842, and it basically says that if a tool can be used for obvious legitimate purposes, it's potential illegal uses do not make the device illegal. In other words, beating someone up with a baseball bat is still assault, but we don't need to shut down the Louisville Slugger factory.

2. From Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417 (1984) (link). This is the same case that legitimized timeshifting, paving the way for things like TiVo and our own Radioshift. It's amazing the enormous effect this one case has had on both Rogue Amoeba and technology in general.

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matt
Wed Jan 23 18:16:28 2008

Remind me to thank the Supreme Court of 1984. They were way cooler then the saps we've got now.

ben
Wed Jan 23 18:37:33 2008

The fact remains that all the songs on Last.FM are already freely available on p2p networks. Why go through the effort of capturing each song one at a time during playback when you can have it (and possibly the rest of the album) almost immediately?

I would think that Audio Hijack/Radioshift would actually have more value for downloading "random" streams that aren't readily available on p2p than they would grabbing individual songs from Last.FM.

The best thing about this announcement is that Last.FM is showing that there is a way to compete with free by adding value (their social network) and convenience.

Ned Baldessin
Wed Jan 23 19:03:08 2008

I don't see how the last.fm deal makes piracy more attractive: if you rip a stream, you don't get the metadata, nor the album cover, the length of the track might be wrong, and maybe last.fm will put a little audio cue at the start and the end of the track, that you'd have to edit out.

Frankly, if you want to pirate music, P2P is still vastly more convenient.

chris
Wed Jan 23 19:06:13 2008

Ripped streams generally don't contain useful metadata about the track, album and artist. Unless this functionality is added to AHP and suchlike, I agree with Ben above -- if you're determined to avoid paying then there are easier ways and means. Last.fm is tremendously convenient instant and legal, why bother to rip a stream when you can just rerequest the track on your next whim?

Jailbroken iPhones and iPod touch devices already have a last.fm client in the guise of MobileScrobbler.

Nobody will need to hijack the stream when the ability to listen on-demand to any song directly on our ipods, downloading high quality versions for a small fee at the swipe of a finger...

And I think that scenario is far more likely than a useful program like AHP all of a sudden becoming contraband. :-)

Lindsay
Wed Jan 23 19:55:40 2008

The image that you have is a Betacam SP tape.. not betamax (have a look at the top RHS of the tape, it is written in gold)

Betamax died years ago, while Betacam is still in use today all around the world in broadcast and film.

Shawn Levasseur
Wed Jan 23 20:08:19 2008

P2P more convenient? I'm not so sure about that, And that metadata is often not in P2P mp3's (anyway metadata isn't what you get digital music for, it's the music. Metadata just helps in putting that music to use)

Also some programs that record audio streams are able to grab track information from the stream and attach it to the resulting mp3's.

In all, each method has it's tradeoffs.

Christopher L. Jorgensen
Wed Jan 23 20:16:04 2008

Well, another analogy would be to cable. I am legally allowed to record the shows coming into my house. I can record them on VHS, direct to disc (Tivo), DVD DVRs, or directly to my computer. I can even lend the discs or tapes to a friend (as long as I am not charging for it).

I don't see this model as any different. If they are choosing to stream the content into my house, I can capture it, or listen to it however I decide.

No matter what restrictions are put in place, smarter people will invent a workaround either before or soon after.

It's a nonissue.

I'm as concerned abut this as I am about people using graphics taken from a catalog to illustrate a story. (Although I am sure your use of the above image of a tape was either taken by your photo staff or falls within fair use.)

Kevin Ballard
Wed Jan 23 20:24:17 2008

I've been using the website http://www.thesixtyone.com recently to listen to full-length tracks. It's pretty nice. Doesn't have the catalog that last.fm does, but it does seem like a great way for independent artists to get their music heard.

Jay
Wed Jan 23 20:59:58 2008

Interesting entry. People have been able to record music of the radio (terrestrial or satellite) for years. Why would high quality streaming audio be any different?

BTW, what's with the uppercase type? It's difficult to read, looks amateurish and diminishes the value of your content. Your style sheet needs emergency surgery!

Harvard Irving
Wed Jan 23 21:34:05 2008

Should the Betamax Doctrine not hold up, these tools could disappear.

How is that even possible?They'll always be available from somewhere. Companies could sell them from outside of the USA. We could use Open Source programs. Once something is open sourced, it's almost impossible to eliminate, because the genie is out of the bottle.

An even more dire scenario would involve the music studios going after Apple and Microsoft to implement a required "secure audio path" in the OS.

Well, we'll just use Linux then.

But again, how is this even possible to do without wreaking havoc for users like professional musicians and sound recordists?

Not to mention that such a thing would kill sales of Operating Systems and hardware that implement it. We could just stick with our existing hardware and OS.

The music industry may be powerful, but they'd never get away with this. There are even more powerful forces in opposition to such plans. Your article strikes me as rather "Chicken Little."

Paul (Rogue Amoeba Staff)
Wed Jan 23 23:09:52 2008

matt: They certainly got this decision right, anyhow, and I'm thankful for it.

ben, Ned Baldessin: Sure, everything's on P2P, but that didn't stop something like Streambox from getting shut down - http://w2.eff.org/endangered/list.php#streambox. That went farther than we do, in terms of circumvention, but the net result was the same.

As far as real world uses, that's just what Audio Hijack Pro and Radioshift are great for - an hour of music, or a talk show. But coupled with Last.fm, they could be used much more nefariously.

As far as competing with pirated music, I hope you're right. We'll see how it plays out.

chris: On-demand streaming, for free, is only available for three requests. After that, you need a subscription. As I said, I hope you're right, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider alternate possibilities.

Lindsay: Hey, look at that - I'm an idiot 8). I've swapped this with a copyright-free image from Wikipedia - thanks!

Shawn Levasseur: I'd have to agree here. P2P has never worked great, and there are lots of better options now if you're willing to pay. My fear is that there's now a free way that's better, involving one of our own products. We don't really promote that use (it's one of the reasons we've never specifically added any functionality for grabbing metadata)

Christopher L. Jorgensen: Sure, it shouldn't be any different. But heck, you can only timeshift thanks to a court ruling. Time and again, particularly thanks to the DMCA, we've seen common sense ignored, and that's what I hope to avoid.

Incidentally, the image we had was royalty-free from a stock photo, and the new one has been released - we actually take pains to insure that.

Jay: But that's just it. Back in the 80s, home taping was "killing music (and illegal)" -  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Taping_is_Killing_Music. You take these sorts of things for granted, but they're only allowed because the right outcome was reached in court cases, or because the right laws were passed. There's no guarantees - we need to protect them, diligently.

As for "uppercase type", I'm not sure what you mean, nor what you're seeing.

Harvard Irving: Being available on the black market is a far cry from being available to your average, law-abiding citizen. The genie may be out of the bottle and the technology might be out there, but most it needs to be easily accessible.

"Use Linux" is a pretty lousy answer to this. Will there be some way around most anything? Probably. Will the average user be able to use it though? Probably not. We're interested in making things better for average users, not having any solution, even if it's incredibly difficult to use.

"But again, how is this even possible to do without wreaking havoc for users like professional musicians and sound recordists?"

And how will people work if they can't rip audio or video from DVDs like they could from VHS? And yet here we are, with locked DVDs you can't legally pull from.

I hardly see where I said "The sky is falling" - I'm speculating on a possible future, based on what's happened in the past and what's happening now.

KTheC
Wed Jan 23 23:34:37 2008

Harvard Irving, are you serious?! Really?! Right, that's what I really want to do, buy tools from a company in Russia and switch to Linux so I can get access to my audio. Because Linux has no issues with compatibilities with everything out there.

Linux, man, that's a good laugh right there. Let me know when you join the rest of us in reality.

Harvard Irving
Thu Jan 24 01:29:37 2008

Harvard Irving: Being available on the black market is a far cry from being available to your average, law-abiding citizen.

I don't understand. What's illegal about owning recording software, or Open Source software?

And yet here we are, with locked DVDs you can't legally pull from.

Wrong. In most countries in the world, it is perfectly legal to rip DVDs.

@ KTheC:

Harvard Irving, are you serious?! Really?! Right, that's what I really want to do, buy tools from a company in Russia and switch to Linux so I can get access to my audio. Because Linux has no issues with compatibilities with everything out there.

Why does the company have to be in Russia? And what's wrong with buying software from Russia, anyway? I have some very nice , legal, non-malware titles from Russia.

As for Linux, it's not everybody's cup of tea, but what's so horrible about it? I still prefer the Mac - but Linux is growing by leaps and bounds.

As for compatibility, I think that will be one reason we might see Mac users switching to Linux in the future. Because it will be compatible with more hardware and software than the Mac is.

As much as I love the Mac, I think that Open Source is an unstoppable force, and one day Linux will probably be the dominant platform with the best support and compatibility. There are more and more people working on it every day, and it will be difficult for proprietary companies with finite resources to compete with millions of eyes and fingers.

However, I'd like to know what specific compatibility problems you are referring to. There is a ton of audio equipment you can use with Linux systems, from consumer stuff to professional gear.

Paul (Rogue Amoeba Staff)
Thu Jan 24 02:34:25 2008

harvard Irving: Your statement, to which I was responding, was "They'll always be available from somewhere. Companies could sell them from outside of the USA." The implication clearly seems to be that the software is no longer in the US.

"Wrong. In most countries in the world, it is perfectly legal to rip DVDs."

So...how is this wrong? We're an American company, with an approximately 2/3  American userbase. In the USA, it's technically illegal to rip DVDs.

As for KtheC's comment, again, it was you who postulated that a company could continue selling tools that were illegal in the US from outside the country.

You've pointed out ways this could work, but they're all far from ideal: Switch OSes, buy tools from off-shore companies, and so on. The point is, that's not the way things should go, nor how we hope it will go.

Stefan Hayden
Thu Jan 24 10:40:06 2008

The will always be a certain amount of shrinkage. I've always felt a majority of people were driven to pirate.

In high school and college I had a lot of time on my hands. But now I have a job and my time is limited but MP3s are so easy to buy that it's much cheaper for me to buy them then spend the time to download them.

I just can't see this really being a pandemic problem with the ease of purchasing music these days.

Joe...
Thu Jan 24 11:12:57 2008

Hello, I understand the LAST.FM news and its great for those who want to own nothing.

However, before this announcement, I was listening to full tracks by creating a player through an artist search - from the "Listen" section. I would launch the player and listen to full tracks at my leisure.

But on the Artist level pages, the tracks are set to  only be :30 sec samples. I always found this to be confusing.

Can anyone clarify this?

Leif
Thu Jan 24 11:50:01 2008

I use AudioHijack Pro to capture audio from various instruments, including guitar, that I'm not satisfied with in other input configurations. AudioHijack Pro captures the full sound without respect to how the computer happened to come by that sound.

It's an invaluable tool that I use every day when I'm writing and recording my own music.

I fear that ad-supported streaming of music will lead the already misguided music industry to attack tools such as AudioHijack Pro to keep people from using legitimate tools for illegitimate purposes.

Hopefully, this won't become a problem.

bowerbird
Thu Jan 24 12:46:34 2008

p2p is too messy.

just go to the library and check out the c.d.

-bowerbird

bowerbird
Thu Jan 24 12:47:19 2008

and then burn_baby_burn...

-bowerbird

NoPCZone
Thu Jan 24 13:39:43 2008

The MPAA and RIAA need to hear this and hear this plainly: crippling media files that you sell your customers is not the way to earn customers, make friends or build a market. Draconian lock-downs of content is not the way to go.

I have a large music library resident on iTunes and NOT ONE SONG was taken from a P2P network. I bought my first online music the first day the iTMS was up and running and since then have bought movies, TV and tons of music. Everything else was imported from CDs that I OWN, purchased at local music retailers.

The MPAA and RIAA think that they can endlessly re-sell us the same content on whatever format is popular/dominant at the moment and have gotten fat, rich and lazy re-selling some older content on 45,LP,8-track, Cassette, MiniDisc, CD and now Digital Download. That is not a reasonable or consumer-friendly business model.

I bought AHP primarily to time shift content from my Radio Shark, as my work schedule doesn't always allow me to listen to programs I like. Podcasting has eliminated most of that need- but not all.

The EFF is definitely on our side and deserves all of our support. The issue is not between pirates and content owners- it's a conflict over the definition of fair use. The MPAA and RIAA are in deep denial concerning the fact that their business model has been changed by a disruptive technology and the genie will never be put back in the bottle.

Note to Apple- the day OS X, Quick Time or iTunes introduces a Protected Media Path is the day I get off the software update train. The desktop OS is a fairly mature platform and I will be quite content to stand by and let the sheeple get sheared by the MPAA &  RIAA.

Harvard Irving
Thu Jan 24 17:58:47 2008

So...how is this wrong? We're an American company, with an approximately 2/3  American userbase. In the USA, it's technically illegal to rip DVDs.

It's wrong, because the internet is an international medium. You shouldn't act like the US is the only place on the planet. Your statement would have been accurate if you added the "in the US" disclaimer... but you didn't.

Besides, the premise of your argument was the RIAA pressuring MS and Apple to implement measures in their OS, not it being made illegal to record streaming audio.

You've pointed out ways this could work, but they're all far from ideal: Switch OSes, buy tools from off-shore companies, and so on. The point is, that's not the way things should go, nor how we hope it will go.

Yeah life isn't perfect. What an astonishing revelation. My point is that the world will continue to spin, and we will continue to get things done.

We either adapt to the future, or fail.

In any case - if Apple did such a stupid thing as make all audio "secure path" or whatever, why would it not be ideal to change OSes? Why would you want to continue to use an OS that does such ridiculous things? Why would you want to financially support a company that does things that hinder you?

Slotto
Thu Jan 24 19:09:30 2008

And this is why you can't argue with open source wienies. Harvard, enjoy your horribly "designed" OS. The rest of us will try to use real tools, and work to make sure they do what's right.

You are the type of person who says "Oh global warming is no big deal. Things will fix themselves". Things might get fixed, but it's because people take ACTION. You are talking to the people who can and do take action, and saying "Oh, whatever". You're ridiculous.


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